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    Question Is java web developpement the answer to my needs?

    Hi,

    I'm diving into entrepreneurship and I'm about to start a project where I will buil a prototype web application to test my assuptions with a small customer base.

    I'm an experienced java developper, and I've also worked with other languages like C++,C# and python, but the majority of my experience is not web based.

    My priority at the moment is rapid cycle, flexible developpement. Since I'm more versed in java my plan was to develope all server side code in java with the help of a few freelancers experienced in web developement.

    After going around asking people what they though on general web developement forums, the large majority are advising me to stray away from the dinausore java and opt for php.

    I agree that for rapid cycle, flexible developpement, PHP seems ideal, there is a pletra of experience freelancers out there and with all the available CMS's, there are a tone of plugins that exist that would allow me to build my web application prototype as fast as possible.

    But since I'm stubborn and still a beleiver in java, I wanted to ask a few of you java "fan boys" ;), what you guys though

    knowing that my web application will need these features:

    a subscriber memberships
    live audio video streaming
    Scheduled calendar events
    media galleries (video,audio)
    auction system
    e-commerce online payment

    Is java still a viable alternative? if so which framework is best? or are there java CMS's with available plugins that could help me build my prototype website with relative speed.

    Any advise would be appriciated.

    Thank you!

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    Default Re: Is java web developpement the answer to my needs?

    Waaait! I am a Java-Addict since 2001, and I can exactly understand you regarding Java.
    Besides, I am also diving into entrepreneurship.

    Before you go out and waste a lot of your time and money, I would like to ask you to validate your idea, before you hire a single freelancer or before you write a single line of code.
    It is similar to the "Lean start up approach", but actually there is a book that has way more practical "hands on advice". I just checked, there is also a free (audio / pdf) chapter available:
    Startup Book | Start Small, Stay Small: A Developer's Guide to Launching a Startup
    Trust me and promise me to invest these 20$ before you go out and potentially waste a lot of your time and money. Instead, follow the "stair step approach" of Rob Walling.
    Highly recommended. Knowing programming is only like 5% of the entire adventure of entrepreneurship. There is just so much more.
    Please stay in touch and let me know how about your progress. @MarcusBiel on Twitter.

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    Default Re: Is java web developpement the answer to my needs?

    You assumed right I am a new disciple to the lean start up approach after reading the book. As for the book you suggested I just checked the reviews and started listening to the sample. You are right, sounds like this book was written for me. The annoying part is I have audible credits to spend and I can't seem to find the audio book on audible!!

    if I can't find it I will buy it!

    On the java subject do you have experience developing web applications or websites using server side java code? if so do you recommend it?

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    Default Re: Is java web developpement the answer to my needs?

    Hi, the book is not available on audible - this guy is a developer (.Net) like us. There is also a free podcasts available at Startups For the Rest of Us | The podcast that helps developers be awesome at launching software products.
    In the book he talks a lot about using Google Adwords to validate an idea. This is outdated, because these days Adwords got just to expensive, but the rest of his ideas should still apply.
    He is planning to release a new version of the book, as far as I know, it could be that it will be released sometimes this year, but I don't really know. I just wanted to warn you to push forward with development to fast.
    Early Marketing, for example, is actually more important then development. I have experience of pretty much all areas of Java. I am still in validation phase myself. Rob talks about a "stair step approach", which I am following -
    first step is to release an info product, NOT a product like you are planning from scratch. I love Java as you do, and really want to start with doing a Java product, but Java has its strength in complex domain areas, something you should not start with.
    I also do know php (it's just like a lightweight Java :), but I really prefer Java. Will have to choose between the two when I reached the next step. Not yet - and the same I would suggest you.

    Marcus

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