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    Question eclipse vs jcreator

    what are distinct features between the two software? or can I use my jcreator programming style it will be ok?

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    Hi,

    I didn't find a real comparison between these 2 IDEs. But one thing that I am wondering about: JCreator is still alive? The forums seems to be shut down ("JCreator Forum Board is currently unavailable The forum is currently offline for maintenance till Monday the 6th, January 2014. Xinox Software") and on wikipedia (JCreator - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) they write: "During 2013, the developer of JCreator stopped responding to support calls, the license registration server became unavailable and the community forum board was shut down."

    So I don't think that JCreator is really an option now - or do you really want to ride a dead horse?

    The style of your code should NEVER be IDE dependend. If an IDE forces you to a specific style then simply drop that IDE. You (or the team) should decide on the coding styles and the IDE simply has to support you.

    So right now I do not see a reason why you should not be able to use eclipse.

    With kind regards,

    Konrad

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    Default Re: eclipse vs jcreator

    Rather look into IntelliJ as an alternative to Eclipse, I hear its very good.
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    I strongly recommend you to use eclipse. The first and foremost reason why I recommend it is its community. I do not think, like eclipse, there is a community for any thing except netbeans.

    @gimbal2

    Please correct me if i am wrong. IntelliJ is not a freeware like eclipse.
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    Default Re: eclipse vs jcreator

    Why ask when you can Google? Then you don't need to be corrected.

    What is IntelliJ IDEA Community Edition? - IntelliJ Open-Source Project -*Confluence

    But why would it "not being free" be any kind of argument against using it?
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    Default Re: eclipse vs jcreator

    Quote Originally Posted by makpandian View Post
    I strongly recommend you to use eclipse. The first and foremost reason why I recommend it is its community. I do not think, like eclipse, there is a community for any thing except netbeans.

    @gimbal2

    Please correct me if i am wrong. IntelliJ is not a freeware like eclipse.
    Trust me, IntelliJ IDEA is worth every euro. I'd pay double for it if I had to. If you count the seconds you shave of your development with each smart function, you earn it back in a few weeks. And to be honest, 449 euro (source: IntelliJ IDEA :: Licensing and Upgrade) is bloody cheap for (one of) the best IDE's around.

    Edit: it's a mere 179 euro for a personal license. I'd earn that back in a day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SurfMan View Post
    Edit: it's a mere 179 euro for a personal license. I'd earn that back in a day.
    I knew you would be around to sell the IDE sooner or later if I dropped the name :) Perhaps another 3-4 sales pitches, then I may be convinced to go ahead and fork over the cash.
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    Default Re: eclipse vs jcreator

    Note, you only get one year of upgrades with a personal license.
    And, unless purchased near the time of a new release, I don't believe they cover major releases. At least it didn't for 12 to 13, for which there was a bit of a hoo ha.

    For example, if you purchased 12 prior to end of October last year then you would not get an upgrade to 13. Consequently you would not get the changes that makes working with (eg) Play slightly less annoying.

    It's a nice IDE, but the licensing annoys me immensely.
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    Why is the IDE you use such a big deal? I'm probably just a complete noob and missing out on all the advantages and disadvantages of specific IDEs but I only use JGrasp or Eclipse... I use Eclipse just for a plugin that helps me make GUIs but I find all the little suggestions it gives you while your coding pretty annoying... I do actually like JGrasp because it's very simple... doesn't give any suggestions and doesn't automatically add any code to the program.

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    Hi,

    agree to SurfMan. 189€ (and later 89€ for each major upgrade) is not that much. If you use the software in your job, then I see no problem with such costs at all.

    I am used to much higher costs e.g. for Visual Studio and 3rd party components ...

    And if you just develop a little in your spare time: There is a community edition which you can use. That should have the features that you need. (Or you do it in a more professional way again ...)

    So I do not see such a problem. I was testing IntelliJ, too. But I ran into some problems so I completely dropped it again. But I am thinking about testing it again now that I was able to collect some more experience with eclipse.

    With kind regards,

    Konrad

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbschultz97 View Post
    Why is the IDE you use such a big deal? I'm probably just a complete noob and missing out on all the advantages and disadvantages of specific IDEs but I only use JGrasp or Eclipse... I use Eclipse just for a plugin that helps me make GUIs but I find all the little suggestions it gives you while your coding pretty annoying... I do actually like JGrasp because it's very simple... doesn't give any suggestions and doesn't automatically add any code to the program.
    I think it is really important when you spend a lot of time with it.
    - It is a tool that should make work as easy as possible
    - Auto completion and static code analysis and refactoring tools are really important. I do not want to type things multiple times. Something that I still do with eclipse right now.
    These features are a little different and the IDEs are used differently. The differences might not be big but they might decide between a "I like it" or "I do not like it".

    Just some examples regarding complex features and why they are important (Because you mentioned that you are annoyed by them):
    SomeClass myClass = new S|
    When I type that (| is the cursor) then it can directly suggest SomeClass to me. There is no reason why I should type it.

    But a good example from the practice (which works great with eclipse and I hope with other tools, too)
    You write tests first. Lets say something like:
    Java Code:
    Template template = new Template("Hello {name}");
    template.put("name", "Konrad");
    assertEquals("Hello Konrad", template.evaluate());
    Test first so there is no class Template. Now I could write everything on my own. Crap! Some Keystrokes or Mouseclicks and the Template class should be there ... created by the IDE.

    And seeing errors without compiling / running tests is also great. If I make a typing error I directly see it inside the IDE.

    Another important area are code styles. You might work in a team and you have to follow the guidelines. But maybe you work with multiple projects on multiple teams e.g. at work, an open source solution, whatever else ... all might have different styles.
    That is a perfect area for an IDE. I do not have to think about it! It is configured in the project and all members simply take care of it. If someone does not, then I can tell my ide to reformat the code to the standards.

    I hope I was able to explain, why more complex features are important for me. (Does not mean that they are important for you at all!)

    Konrad

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    Default Re: eclipse vs jcreator

    Quote Originally Posted by mbschultz97 View Post
    Why is the IDE you use such a big deal? I'm probably just a complete noob and missing out on all the advantages and disadvantages of specific IDEs but I only use JGrasp or Eclipse... I use Eclipse just for a plugin that helps me make GUIs but I find all the little suggestions it gives you while your coding pretty annoying... I do actually like JGrasp because it's very simple... doesn't give any suggestions and doesn't automatically add any code to the program.
    What can I say... I know how to type. I don't want/need to type all the classnames, variablesnames, brackets, semi-colons. I know how they are spelled and I know what they look like. Hitting the code completion keys in IntelliJ IDEA (CTRL-space, CTRL-SHIFT-space) completes it for me automagically so I can focus on getting my job done, instead of wasting time typing. Besides that, it prevents errors as well.

    No matter what IDE you use, proper code completion is good for concentration, productivity and speed. It's not all about saving keystrokes.

    Check out these examples: Top 20 Features of Code Completion in IntelliJ IDEA | JetBrains Zone
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    Default Re: eclipse vs jcreator

    Do you think for people still learning (like me) should stick to IDEs that give as little as assistance as possible? Should I be trying to use the tools that are offered by eclipse to make coding quicker and more efficient?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbschultz97 View Post
    Do you think for people still learning (like me) should stick to IDEs that give as little as assistance as possible? Should I be trying to use the tools that are offered by eclipse to make coding quicker and more efficient?
    Very good question. Yes you should keep it limited for now; the more the IDE does for you, the less you'll learn.

    You should consider learning how to use Java (compiling, packaging, running) without any IDE too; just the command line tools. If you can do that, you can do anything.
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    Recently switched from eclipse to Intellij. So fast assist autocompletion and you can avoid easily the big ceremony that programming in java requires you to do. A lot less typing.

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    Hi,

    I tried InelliJ in the past and had a few issues. One was a bug that was directly fixed (The support of jetbrains seems to be good. I got a quick reply on my bug report and also directly a download link to a newer (unofficial / "beta") version without that (already known) bug.)
    Another issue was on 64bit Windows and Spring Roo. IntelliJ seems to run under 32bit so spring ro downloaded and cached 32bit DLLs. When I wanted to start it on the command line (64bit) I got strange errors about DLLs in the wrong version. I had to remove the cached DLLs to make it work. That is something that I didn't like...

    But now I started another evaluation. I wanted to setup a build server and with eclipse projects it seems more complex than I thought. (So I needed to use either an ant addin that reads eclipse projects or switch to ant completly if I got it correct.) But now I might set up a system with TeamCity and maybe even YouTrack. (Both are free in a smaller setup ...)

    So I will see what experience I make now :)

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    @SurfMan

    I will be trying out IntelliJ shortly. But only free version.
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    Quote Originally Posted by superhaNds View Post
    Recently switched from eclipse to Intellij. So fast assist autocompletion and you can avoid easily the big ceremony that programming in java requires you to do. A lot less typing.
    I wonder how well the IDE fairs for HTML + Javascript development. Eclipse is just bad for it (although I can get far with a very carefully tailored source formatter) and Netbeans is not-so-good because you don't have enough control over how code formatting is performed.
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    Sissies; I normally use an audio coupler and whistle my byte code directly to a file (1200 Baud).

    kindest regards,

    Jos (real man)
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    Yes and I know why - you don't want to use your hands or else you run the risk of breaking a nail.
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