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    Unhappy New to Java Class, Advice??

    So I'm starting class for AP Java, because I want to major into Computer Science.
    But I heard so many bad things about it, and last year half the class dropped out or failed, so I'm kinda worried.

    I'm sorry if I sound like a beginner, but is there any tips or advice I should know before starting to learn Java and programming?
    Anything I should learn first or should get familiar with, or a different way to look at it?

    I want to go through this until the end, whether I fail or not. I just have no confidence in myself now at this point, so I'm scared with my abilities..

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    Default Re: New to Java Class, Advice??

    I wish I had some encouraging words for you but it seems that teachers today are clueless when it comes to teaching
    a programming course. Imo, programming simply isn't that difficult to learn. When I took my first course the instructor started off
    teaching about the operators, and then loops, and then overall structure. It made quite a bit of sense. Today the practice
    is to start off teaching how to move a robot around a grid. Again, imo, a worthless exercise. If your teacher is any good you
    shouldn't have a problem. I would definitely get a book to supplement what you learn in class.

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    And my experience is: you can't learn programming in a classroom so it doesn't matter how good or bad the teacher is. There is but one way to really get it - do it yourself. When I was in school I made it a personal rule to always be two classes ahead. If the class had to do a stupid assignment which teaches you nothing, I did a clever assignment.

    In the first year I had to learn Turbo Pascal. I did several games using it. By the second year where I had to start to learn C, I had already learned it myself over the vacation period and had ported over all my games. At that point I started to have real trouble with the teacher because I knew more than him. If you get to that point: hide that fact. Please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gimbal2 View Post
    And my experience is: you can't learn programming in a classroom so it doesn't matter how good or bad the teacher is. There is but one way to really get it - do it yourself. When I was in school I made it a personal rule to always be two classes ahead. If the class had to do a stupid assignment which teaches you nothing, I did a clever assignment.

    In the first year I had to learn Turbo Pascal. I did several games using it. By the second year where I had to start to learn C, I had already learned it myself over the vacation period and had ported over all my games. At that point I started to have real trouble with the teacher because I knew more than him. If you get to that point: hide that fact. Please.
    Thank you. I think I'll take your advice and learn things ahead of the class. Are there any reliable websites to learn off of, or videos?

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    Default Re: New to Java Class, Advice??

    Please, use books.
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    Question Re: New to Java Class, Advice??

    Quote Originally Posted by gimbal2 View Post
    Please, use books.
    Sorry, but why books? Just curious, I have a textbook. Always thought it was easier online

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gomi View Post
    Always thought it was easier online
    Really? Then why are you here asking where to look online?
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    Default Re: New to Java Class, Advice??

    The day will come that those youngsters don't even recognize a book anymore; they would go like "huh? that tree has a very funny shape; let's stick it back in the soil and put some water on it; I'll ask some advice on twitter or facebook ...".

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    I failed to actually answer the question (I had to splash some water in my face first). Of course the main reason for that question is money; books/e-books cost money, internet-info is free. It would be an awesome thing if internet-info was better. I stick to my belief: there is nothing more expensive than something that is free. I can go on a rant but I'm not going to this time around, I'll just summarize it: the internet is GREAT. For people who can recognize shit from truth. Beginners / novices / "noobs" / "newbies" cannot. They end up here after a while, with a serious need of having their beliefs and current understanding uprooted.
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    Default Re: New to Java Class, Advice??

    I generally use both books and the internet. I used one main Java book going through uni which was supplemented by tutor teachings and googling the internet for example code or referencing the APIs. Yes books are expensive, but then it can save the hassle of wading through numerous websites trying to locate the information or suitable example you want. I don't generally read books but I prefer to sit at the PC with a decent reference book or two at the side for convenience.

    Overall though, it is down to the learning style of the individual as to what works for them. There is a lot of crap out there, both in books and on the internet. But then there is also a lot of good stuff to be found in each. Either way there are always forums such as these to provide assistance to anyone who wants it. We don't mind assisting with homework/coursework as long as it is made clear this is what it is and accept people will not spoon-feed the answers.

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