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    Question How does it feel to program in Java?

    What did it feel like when you first started programming in Java?

    What methods did you use to start learning it?

    How did you know you were learning it?

    Did you forget any code commands when learning others?

    How much time did you spend in a day, a week, a month, a year?

    I am new and I started a few days ago and I get the feeling that I'll never learn it. What should I do to better my chances of learning this language?

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    Default Re: How does it feel to program in Java?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matrice View Post
    What did it feel like when you first started programming in Java?
    Uh, strange question! No different than any other programming language.
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    What methods did you use to start learning it?
    Books (been at it for over a decade and still learning).
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    How did you know you were learning it?
    My programs ran.
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    Did you forget any code commands when learning others?
    Yes! And I still do (not the syntax but the JDK libraries).
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    How much time did you spend in a day, a week, a month, a year?
    Learning is an ongoing process. And if you don't program regularly you will tend to forget the syntax. But it
    will come back.
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    I am new and I started a few days ago and I get the feeling that I'll never learn it. What should I do to better my chances of learning this language?
    Continue to read books, start slow, try examples, and peruse the forum threads. Hang in there. You'll
    eventually learn it.

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    Default Re: How does it feel to program in Java?

    Thanks Jim!

    As I have said earlier, I am very new to Java. I haven't said this but I will say this now, I don't have any prior programming experience, whatsoever. Jim or to anyone else reading this thread, how would I know if what I am doing actually works, besides having no compile errors? Also, about how long is a finished code? How much commentry do you write within your code? Is this forum a good group for me to better my Java skills? And what does the average Java programmer do, program all alone in a room, or collaborate with others and take occasional breaks and share the code with other Java programmers to work together and complete a code?

    I want to know how I should feel and what I should do when I code. Like the environment of the coding language and what a programmer does and how he would send his code to other programmers and if he does that in the first place to begin with.

    I know I am asking a lot from all of you, but I have this strong desire to learn this, and this desire has been kept dormant in my head for months, I want the best mindset and ideas from you experts to become part of the Java community and understand most, if not all, of the fundamental aspects that it takes to be an accomplished Java programmer.

    Thanks if you've read this far. And do not feel shy to respond, any commentry from any Java user would be helpful to me and to others in some way, shape, or form.

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    Default Re: How does it feel to program in Java?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matrice View Post
    What did it feel like when you first started programming in Java?
    Really, really bored at school (stupid assignments, boring lectures), great fun at home (programming games). Coming from C/C++ I also felt great relief.

    What methods did you use to start learning it?
    School, home schooling. Books and practice are the best method.

    How did you know you were learning it?
    Because little by little, more things started to click.

    Did you forget any code commands when learning others?
    Sure, but that's what books are for - so you can look them up again

    How much time did you spend in a day, a week, a month, a year?
    I'd say around 6-10 hours per day, almost every day for years. Not on Java specifically, studying and practicing software engineering, hanging around in programming IRC channels, talking on forums, digging through code to root out how it worked. A carpenter also doesn't spend all his time training with one hammer so to say. I can't really recommend that kind of investment, I would try to have a life too.

    I am new and I started a few days ago and I get the feeling that I'll never learn it. What should I do to better my chances of learning this language?
    Practice makes perfect. Other than that, make sure you want to be in control of your own success.

    - don't make it the responsibility of others to make you understand; that is 100% your own responsibility
    - use multiple sources of information and make sure that the most important ones are books, not the internet. If you want to do this right, it is going to require a monetary investment.
    - don't stick with stupid hello world assignments; make interesting things that are fun to do
    - challenge yourself, try to breach into subjects you are not comfortable with sooner rather than later
    - Stop it with the fear of failure. I know it is looming in your brain right now. You can do it, but it takes time

    People who fail want to be done studying ASAP and thus rush through everything and hang out in forums asking other people for "sample code" a lot. If you are right now ready to invest months into learning this stuff, you'll be just fine.
    "Syntactic sugar causes cancer of the semicolon." -- Alan Perlis

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    Default Re: How does it feel to program in Java?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matrice View Post
    but I have this strong desire to learn this
    *THIS* is what you need to succeed. This means you might be a coder. All you need to find out now if you want to (and can) put the time in that is required. Even if you're a natural talent, coding skills need to grow on you. That takes time. For some it goes faster than others.

    Do not compare yourself with others. It's good to have someone to look up to, but the danger of measuring yourself with some other coder is that you might never reach his height and you'll be disappointed. And about "where" you code? Don't worry, just go with the flow. Don't get stressed about the details.

    Read lots of books about Java (and make sure they are up to date, i.e. no Java 1.4 books!), but also read books about programming in general. Books about patterns, anti-patterns, data structures.

    Make programs for yourself and try to improve them over time: an addressbook for example. You can write one that:
    - gets all input from the commandline and stores it in a text file
    - change the interface to a Swing GUI
    - change the storage to a database
    - Make a web application for the same addressbook
    - Introduce webservices to query the addressbook
    Etc...

    Forums are an awesome place to ask questions, but make sure you post "the right way". Include the smallest possible code that demonstrates the problem (A so called SSCCE). If there are any errors, include those, especially the stacktrace. Very important also: surround your code in [code][/code] tags. That keeps the indentation ok, syntax coloring, the lot.

    Just do it. Fire up Notepad, a commandline and go!
    "It's not fixed until you stop calling the problem weird and you understand what was wrong." - gimbal2 2013

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    Default Re: How does it feel to program in Java?

    Just to add: here is a link to a thread on this forum that shows exactly who is NOT going to be a coder.
    "It's not fixed until you stop calling the problem weird and you understand what was wrong." - gimbal2 2013

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    Default Re: How does it feel to program in Java?

    Quote Originally Posted by SurfMan View Post
    Just to add: here is a link to a thread on this forum that shows exactly who is NOT going to be a coder.
    He he :) The guy PMed me too. I'll just add it to the thread to complete the picture.
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    Default Re: How does it feel to program in Java?

    Hey Matrice, I saw your post in the "assignment" thread. Although a good attempt and with good intentions, be careful not to "spoonfeed" the original poster (OP). If I was to write all the code for him and say: well, there you go! He will say "thank you" and copy/paste this as being his own. His professor will be very impressed and he gets an "A". Even though he did fuck all to deserve it. That's what's called "spoonfeeding". Don't do it. It will only encourage more please-do-my-homework-for-me-posts.
    "It's not fixed until you stop calling the problem weird and you understand what was wrong." - gimbal2 2013

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    Default Re: How does it feel to program in Java?

    Oh sorry, Surfman.

    I am new to this forum and to this Java programming thing and its entirety... I sorta wanted a challenge to help better my terrible Java Programming skills. So, I simply wanted to take the challenege and use my skills to complete the new problem. I will be taking classes on this in college later, (19 years old here).

    How old are you Surfman? And how long have you been programming, and why did you start?

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    Default Re: How does it feel to program in Java?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matrice View Post
    Oh sorry, Surfman.

    I am new to this forum and to this Java programming thing and its entirety... I sorta wanted a challenge to help better my terrible Java Programming skills. So, I simply wanted to take the challenege and use my skills to complete the new problem. I will be taking classes on this in college later, (19 years old here).

    How old are you Surfman? And how long have you been programming, and why did you start?
    No worries, no harm is done. You might get a PM from this guy to finish his assignment :)

    I only applaud you for taking up his assignment and trying it for yourself. By all means, go for it! If you do and have questions, start a new thread of your own. (Maybe changing the assignment a bit to prevent the old copy/paste plagiarism :))

    I started programming because I was fascinated by these lines of text melting together into a functional program. I was 10 at the time, doing my stuff on the Commodore 64. Later, on the PC I started doing lots of different things: GWBasic, macros in WordPerfect, PlanPerfect, Visual Basic, Perl, and then I tasted even more languages. Java was the flavour I liked best so I focused on that.
    "It's not fixed until you stop calling the problem weird and you understand what was wrong." - gimbal2 2013

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