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    Quote Originally Posted by JosAH View Post
    The fact that two programming languages are equivalent doesn't make a car, submarine or airplane equivalent; your comparison doesn't make sense at all.
    Just define equivalent please.

    Turing completeness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia could be worth reading in detail in case you forgot parts of the facts.
    "Turing completeness is an abstract statement of ability, rather than a prescription of specific language features used to implement that ability. The features used to achieve Turing completeness can be quite different"

    And just the fact that you can solve the same problems simply does not change that you go different ways. I never said that you cannot solve something with your functional programming.

    The comparison between cars and planes is valid in my eyes because you just look at the solution. So you want to get from a to b. You can do that with a car and with a plane. And even with a submarine. (Of course not any car, any submarine, any plane. But when you define the targets that are in scope, then you might build solutions.) But we do not have to discuss that in more detail.

    The core point is simply, that there are different programming paradigms which simply "guides" developers on different routes.
    Just see Programming paradigm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia for details about programing paradigms.

    With kind regards,

    Konrad

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    Default Re: Getting all info from one class to another

    Round: 2. FIGHT!

    Just to note: many people have tried to out-smart JosAH. None of them are alive today. Be warned.
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    Hi Gimbal2,

    I just hope that I survive this. I just started to be active in this forum and it would be a shame if have to leave again :)

    Or did I "loose my face" already so I have to go and create a new account already? :)

    I just hope that nobody is angry with me so far and that I am still welcome. I promise to try to not provoke such discussions and I will even try to avoid car comparisons.

    BTW: You are also active inside the oracle forums? Just saw a gimbal2 there, too.

    With kind regards,

    Konrad

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    Yup. Basically I "migrated" from OTN to here because my god that forum stinks now, but I still sometimes poke in my head anyway to see what is going on. Not much other than discussions about the broken forum software, really.

    You'll also spot me on Stackoverflow sometimes, although I have huge trouble coping with the layers upon layers of rules and regulations of that site and the sheer volume of (often badly formulated) questions asked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gimbal2 View Post
    Hello, we're talking about the time where there is one world government and they TELL you if you are allowed to smoke or not.
    So you're talking about 2014?
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25939908
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    damn, that was quick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SurfMan View Post
    I agree: transporting children (especially toddlers) in your car is bad for your health and for your car; I mean they fight on the back seat all the time and when you yell at them they all start to throw up; that barfing stinks for months; they also drool on the inside of all your windows so you can't see anything anymore or they get their hands or feet stuck in places you didn't even know they existed. I prefer smoking in my car ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JosAH View Post
    I agree: transporting children (especially toddlers) in your car is bad for your health and for your car; I mean they fight on the back seat all the time and when you yell at them they all start to throw up; that barfing stinks for months; they also drool on the inside of all your windows so you can't see anything anymore or they get their hands or feet stuck in places you didn't even know they existed. I prefer smoking in my car ...
    Ha! Someone actually made a game for you, you know!

    Don't Make Me Turn This Car Around - YouTube
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    Hi Konrad,

    Quote Originally Posted by kneitzel View Post
    Hi Jos,

    sorry, but I simply have to disagree with your writing at all:

    a) "OO is a perfect world" - nobody said that.
    I guess I did. I happen to like very much OO and I get a little bit carried away with it. But you can easily ignore my fanaticism for OO and the rest remains valid. I guess you naturally filtered my radicalism.

    b) Java is not a functional programming language so yes - it is crap regarding that. (If someone gives you a nice car as present: Just give it to me. It is a crap solution vor diving in seas and also crap regarding flying around. So a nice porsche or lamborghini is only crap and you should give such cars to me :) )

    And of course: This simply does not lead anywhere. Concentrate on the needs of the people. If someone wants to learn java or solve a java problem, then any FP stuff is simply nonsense and you should stop confusing beginners.

    Thank you and sorry for the off topic post.

    Konrad
    Sometimes knowledge comes from unexpected places, it is a bad thing to try to limit sources, you may block something that you should not. Some concepts from FP are useful even in java, knowing them may help you to solve some problems.

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    Default Re: Getting all info from one class to another

    Has this thread been hijacked?

    Where is the OP?
    If you don't understand my response, don't ignore it, ask a question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JosAH View Post
    I found it a worthwhile reading, although I disagree about the 'OO is a perfect world' part; functional programming comes close too and Java is just crappy when it comes to functional programming; FP can be much closer to the way of human thinking than OO does (at least to my way of thinking).

    kind regards,

    Jos
    I hear that the minds of crazy mathematicians work in mysterious ways. But then again, we are talking about human beings, not mathematicians. ;-)

    Normal people do not think in terms of data structures and sequences of nested functions that magically solve a problem, they think about the world in terms of "stuff". You have an Oven, which may contain a Bread Dough and you can turn on to bake it. An object which contains another object and a method to make them interact, not some silly nesting of function of making a dough, putting in the thing that bakes and baking. Or whatever it would look like in functional...

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