What are you using to write your code? - Page 7

CaptainMorgan · #**121** (**permalink**) 06-27-2008, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by tim

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Strange. Netbeans is in italics in the poll. I wonder why?

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Originally Posted by Eranga

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I can't see NetBeans in italic. May be something wrong with the page. I can see 'Gedit' in italic.

Guys, the italics simply denote the choice you voted on; if Netbeans is in italics, then you chose Netbeans, if Gedit is in italics, then you chose Gedit. Hope this clears it up.

Keep the votes coming!

Eranga · #**122** (**permalink**) 06-27-2008, 09:52 AM

I don't think so, because I'm a NetBeans lover.

But I can't see it in italic.

I'm not worried about that too.

CaptainMorgan · #**123** (**permalink**) 06-27-2008, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Eranga

I don't think so, because I'm a NetBeans lover.

But I can't see it in italic.

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Sorry Eranga, but that's just how it is.

It's the format of vBulletin, ask their developers if you don't believe me.

From my viewpoint, it's kind of obvious why it's in italics... but unfortunately, vBulletin's official docs don't seem to mention anything about it - I would assume it is because it's kind of intuitive why it's in italics.

Not so good Reference.
Bad reference.

Eranga · #**124** (**permalink**) 06-27-2008, 11:17 AM

Don't worry Cap, I'm not worried about that. I know you said is what you know.

CaptainMorgan · #**125** (**permalink**) 06-27-2008, 11:32 AM

Please excuse me for attempting to clear up a question Tim asked.

Eranga, you do realize that popular belief is, if you weren't worried about it then you would not have responded... right?

tim · #**126** (**permalink**) 06-28-2008, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainMorgan

Please excuse me for attempting to clear up a question Tim asked.

Eranga, you do realize that popular belief is, if you weren't worried about it then you would not have responded... right?

Thank you Captain Morgan for making the italics styling clear. Eranga, are you sure you did not make a mistake when you voted. I do that sometimes.

Why I like NetBeans:

Lots of eye candy. Eye candy is always very important.
Class and source file locations are organized neatly.
Code completion does miracles for one's fingers.
Debugging and tracing is fast and easy.
It has that nice red squiggle for syntax errors.
Very good IDE for students like me or newbies
A GUI builder is included.
Has a nice way of handling JavaDoc, reading and writing.

What I dislike about NetBeans:

Slow loading times.
Requires manual directory cleanups from time to time.
I can't find a way to undock windows
No tab indentation, as mentioned earlier.
High system resource usage.

That's all I can think of for now. Thanks again Captain Morgan.

Eranga · #**127** (**permalink**) 06-28-2008, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by tim

Thank you Captain Morgan for making the italics styling clear. Eranga, are you sure you did not make a mistake when you voted. I do that sometimes.

No I'm not done any mistake there in voting.

CaptainMorgan · #**128** (**permalink**) 06-28-2008, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by tim

Thank you Captain Morgan for making the italics styling clear. Eranga, are you sure you did not make a mistake when you voted. I do that sometimes.

Why I like NetBeans:

Lots of eye candy. Eye candy is always very important.
Class and source file locations are organized neatly.
Code completion does miracles for one's fingers.
Debugging and tracing is fast and easy.
It has that nice red squiggle for syntax errors.
Very good IDE for students like me or newbies
A GUI builder is included.
Has a nice way of handling JavaDoc, reading and writing.

No problem Tim! Sure it's a minor issue, but it was brought up.

Plus, I think sometimes meanings get lost in translation... which is only to be expected I think.

Great points - not to nit pick your points because I think they're well made - but positive points #3 and #8 I believe are very closely related in that I don't think code completion is possible without the JavaDoc installed, although I could be wrong. These two points are very strong reasons for why I love this IDE.

I just want to comment on a few of the cons you noted to see if I could shed some light...

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Originally Posted by tim

What I dislike about NetBeans:

Slow loading times.
Requires manual directory cleanups from time to time.
I can't find a way to undock windows
No tab indentation, as mentioned earlier.
High system resource usage.

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1. This is unfortunate indeed... however, are you sure it's not module related? I've enabled many modules for my system simply for the great utility they provide... such as C/C++ support(I think this is native now, no?) but they are known to dramatically slow down initial Netbeans startup. The latest version of Netbeans, albeit without modules loaded is acceptably speedy, I think(6.0 was noticeably slower).

3. I do believe it's possible to simply minimize them, but indeed I don't see them being undocked - I don't think it was developed with the idea of being free-forming, ie: moving windows around at will.

4. I'm confused over this note... could you go into detail over this? - as this can be critical across more than one programmer when collaborating. For example: I prefer two spaces, so it can frustrate me when I'm viewing a fellow programmer's code that is using two tab lengths of four spaces each, often not transferring well to my system, sometimes making the code unreadable and requiring me to alter it so I can read it. As masijade discussed, this feature I believe is largely configurable as it's a quite common request. If you don't get what you're looking for elsewhere, definitely try the mailing list for Netbeans listed on its site; very helpful.

Good point someone made about IDE's - is this really as important we're making it out to be, vs. the language we all love: Java? I definitely believe it's very important! And as evidenced by our current topic, I'm not alone. Of the many benefits for developers in the wild - if nothing else, it dramatically cuts down on production times with the goal of making the developer's work and therefore life, easier and somewhat more manageable.

Kudos to masijade for reiterating that IDE's are not typically for beginners, even though there are some in existence with this sole purpose. There's no better way to learn the language than getting your hands on it, literally... vs. having the IDE shield you from it. IDE's should be thought of as for programmer's with experience....

Keep the votes and comments coming!

tim · #**129** (**permalink**) 06-28-2008, 01:54 PM

Hello Captain Morgan

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Originally Posted by CaptainMorgan

4. I'm confused over this note... could you go into detail over this? - as this can be critical across more than one programmer when collaborating. For example: I prefer two spaces, so it can frustrate me when I'm viewing a fellow programmer's code that is using two tab lengths of four spaces each, often not transferring well to my system, sometimes making the code unreadable and requiring me to alter it so I can read it. As masijade discussed, this feature I believe is largely configurable as it's a quite common request. If you don't get what you're looking for elsewhere, definitely try the mailing list for Netbeans listed on its site; very helpful.

What I would love is to have the IDE recognize indentation with spaces and replace them with tabs of the correct preset length. For example, I prefer four spaces per tab. So, I would like the editor to use tabs and when the file is saved it is converted to spaces and when loaded, converted back to tabs.

The reason for this is simple and the problem occurs very often. Consider this method where * represents a space:

Code:

public Main() {

}

Now, let's say I want to indent the second line, then

Code:

public Main() {
****
}

But now, I changed my mind and I want to remove it. I have very lazy fingers and pressing backspace is much easier than pressing ctrl+z or ctrl+d. Plus, undoing the indentation may undo more than I wanted in the first place. So I press backspace and I get

Code:

public Main() {
***
}

This is what bugs me very often.

But, overall the IDEs benefits outweigh the sort comings by far, so I've learned to live with it and just type faster.

pankaj_salwan · #**130** (**permalink**) 07-02-2008, 02:40 PM

eclipse is quite good to use..

pankaj_salwan · #**131** (**permalink**) 07-02-2008, 02:49 PM

netbeans is also good

h3ckf1r3 · #**132** (**permalink**) 07-02-2008, 05:13 PM

I use BlueJ because it is simple and easy to use. Eranga why did you say u use netbeans here but at the other poll you said you used some other IDE.

janeansley · #**133** (**permalink**) 07-04-2008, 09:08 AM

Hi all, I use textpadd

janeansley · #**134** (**permalink**) 07-04-2008, 09:11 AM

Wordpad 0 0%
Notepad 6 3.55%
Emacs 0 0%
Gedit 2 1.18%
JGrasp 3 1.78%
Visual J# 1 0.59%
Netbeans 34 20.12%
IntelliJIDEA 2 1.18%
Eclipse 73 43.20%
JBuilder 3 1.78%
BlueJ 8 4.73%
DrJava 1 0.59%
Adobe Dreamweaver 0 0%
BBBEdit 0 0%
JIPE 0 0%
GEL 0 0%
Vi/Vim 2 1.18%
JCreator 16 9.47%
TextPad 10 5.92%
Other 8 4.73%

After I vote, I found that Eclipse is the most popular here.
How to use Eclipse? Where to get?
Is it can be use for both Windows and Linux?

Eranga · #**135** (**permalink**) 07-04-2008, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by janeansley

Hi all, I use textpadd

Not bad for the beginning. But don't stick with it. Debugging a code really helps to learn new things on an IDE. How long you working with Java?

janeansley · #**136** (**permalink**) 07-04-2008, 09:25 AM

Just simple and basic I learnt. I am still new to Java.
BTW, why so many ppl using Eclipse?
Is tat Eclipse having good features?