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    ok, i'm going to try to out everything in here so i get as little questions as possible. So here goes.

    I am trying without success to learn java, i have been trying for about 2-3 years and not getting anywhere, i've searched for pdf files and youtube videos but its all crap(pardon my language).

    I want to learn java because i want to make PC video games, i was inspired by minecraft and hope to one day make a game like it, not for profit of course, just to make myself feel accomplished.

    anyway, i was hoping someone here could either teach me or tell me where i can learn for free, i have no money to pay with, sorry.

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    Harsh reply: if after several years of trying you are still struggling you might consider that programming is not for you and give up.

    Soft reply: there are plenty of resources online. Google java tutorials. Read them. Read them again. Keep reading them until you understand. Try writing code, if/when you get into trouble post your code here and ask a specific question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junky View Post
    Harsh reply: if after several years of trying you are still struggling you might consider that programming is not for you and give up.

    Soft reply: there are plenty of resources online. Google java tutorials. Read them. Read them again. Keep reading them until you understand. Try writing code, if/when you get into trouble post your code here and ask a specific question.

    the problem i always encounter when trying to learn java is that all the tutorials i find go way off topic and eventually they're talking about other programming languages and how to use those ones. thats all i can ever find

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    Then your google must be broken. If you type "Java tutorial" into google the first response is for the official Oracle tutorial which all the information you need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junky View Post
    Then your google must be broken. If you type "Java tutorial" into google the first response is for the official Oracle tutorial which all the information you need.
    guess ill give that a try

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    No need to be so enthusiastic!

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    -.- so many links on the web page, thats why i like pdf's

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    I was thinking of asking the good people here for resources, but seeing as how you could use them too I'll ask here for both of us.

    The problem I've always had with tutorials in general is that they use snippets for examples, but they dont show you how to build a program... you end up learning syntax and when asked to make some application you realise you cant.

    I've improved alot since reading my case study with UML modelling...

    anyway my question for us, are there any tutorials online that take you through case studies and building small programs opposed to snippets?
    and are they any youtube tutorials like this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EscSequenceAlpha View Post
    The problem I've always had with tutorials in general is that they use snippets for examples, but they dont show you how to build a program... you end up learning syntax and when asked to make some application you realise you cant.
    You learn to code by coding, period.

    I think most of us learned much from those tutorials, and in fact I have learned all of my Swing coding from them, and yes, they give just snippets, but I've used the information to write code, *LOTS* of code and it's become part of my tool kit. My suggestion, write lots and lots, and lots of code.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fubarable View Post
    You learn to code by coding, period.

    I think most of us learned much from those tutorials, and in fact I have learned all of my Swing coding from them, and yes, they give just snippets, but I've used the information to write code, *LOTS* of code and it's become part of my tool kit. My suggestion, write lots and lots, and lots of code.
    how can we write code if we dont know any of it?

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    The snippets rely on your prior understanding. If you are unable to place the snippet provided into a fully functioning program then that is your lack of understanding and not the fault of the tutorial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshieWashiePoo View Post
    how can we write code if we dont know any of it?
    That is what the tutorial is for!

    Read it. Follow the links and don't be so damn lazy.

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    guys so that my question doesnt get forgotten

    I think I'm progressing nicely, I go through my deitel excercises every day and watch tutorials. I'm not making any complaints about learning java I just wanted to know whether there are some case studies online because I found the one I did very useful and thats what I wanted to add to this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshieWashiePoo View Post
    how can we write code if we dont know any of it?
    Because having a small project in mind forces you to learn how to code. You not only learn the snippets, you are forced to *use* the concepts in your own mind and in your own project. Trust me you can read books and tutorials til your blue in the face, and doing this reading is necessary, but not sufficient to learn programming. Sometimes you have to just jump in the water. You're not going to burn your CPU by doing this, and you will make a lot of mistakes and learn to read error messages (another valuable skill that gets better with practice).

    If you get anything from this discussion, follow the mantra of the god Nike: "Just Do It!"

    I'm not a professional, far from it, but a hobbiest who got into programming about 5 years ago, and by now I've written at least over 2000 programs, most small sample toy programs, but lately I've gotten brave and have started writing large multi-package, multi-jar programs that I can say are complex, but workable utilities that I use daily at work, and have greatly improved my work flow.

    I've got a program that with the press of a button goes into a patient's medical records, extracts the last x number of recent lab results, collates and formats the results into neat pretty readable text, and generates a letter to go with it, so I can easily and rapidly inform patients of all lab results and comment on the abnormals, and it does this in a split second, and I've done it all because I've written lots and lots of code.

    Again, there are many folks better than me (for e.g. Junky), but if a middle-aged physician can pick this up, so can you, but you have write, and write and write.
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    all i was asking for was a link or pdf or someone to teach me, where'd this entire discussion/argument come from? xD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fubarable View Post
    Because having a small project in mind forces you to learn how to code. You not only learn the snippets, you are forced to *use* the concepts in your own mind and in your own project. Trust me you can read books and tutorials til your blue in the face, and doing this reading is necessary, but not sufficient to learn programming. Sometimes you have to just jump in the water. You're not going to burn your CPU by doing this, and you will make a lot of mistakes and learn to read error messages (another valuable skill that gets better with practice).

    If you get anything from this discussion, follow the mantra of the god Nike: "Just Do It!"
    and remember nike is the goddess of victory! she wouldnt lie...
    yes I'm actually a hellenist but thats beyond the scope of this forum

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    You have been provided enough information to help yourself but it seems you want a magic bullet to instantly download everything into your brain instead of doing the hard work. And yes it is hard work. People can work with Java for over 10 years and are far from being an expert.

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    Josh I got an idea, I'm new to java myself but I'm learning. It might be intimidating to ask experts on every little thing... why dont you send me your questions and I'll take a look, I'll be your code buddy.

    I hear the experts laughing because they know I'm quite new and have asked very silly questions myself but I'll do the best I can (hey, how can looking at more code be a bad thing?) thats my attitude as of late

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    We are not laughing and we don't think questions are silly if they relate to a specific piece of code and you can ask a specific question.

    However, open ended unanswerable questions like "how can I learn java" do frustrate us. Especially when the person asking appears that they are unwilling to do some work and reading themselves. Once you have read through the tutorial, attempted to write some code and then get stuck, that is when you come here post the code, post the error message and ask a specific question. People will fall over each other to help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Junky View Post
    We are not laughing and we don't think questions are silly if they relate to a specific piece of code and you can ask a specific question.

    However, open ended unanswerable questions like "how can I learn java" do frustrate us. Especially when the person asking appears that they are unwilling to do some work and reading themselves. Once you have read through the tutorial, attempted to write some code and then get stuck, that is when you come here post the code, post the error message and ask a specific question. People will fall over each other to help.
    I didnt mean it like that... I often get the impression people think my posts are more hostile than I intend them to be, but I'm trying to be as passive as possible to everyone. I'm not providing alternative help for this guy (I cant after all) I thought he might be comfortable asking basic questions to me and it might be fun seeing how I can deal with them thats all. and I never downvalued snippets either for that matter, as you all should see I was mearly asking for case studies because I thought it might help.

    I've asked a lot of questions on here, I like this place, and I'm stepping on eggshells trying to word things so they dont take sides

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