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    It seems as if this section is for questions involving actual Java code, so hopefully this is okay. I'm fairly far into this book I recently got, 'SAMS Teach Yourself JAVA in 24 Hours'. I'm already starting to notice that I don't necessarily understand most of what it's talking about. I've gone back into the book and realized I don't understand all of that either.

    When it comes to the quiz section of the book, I seem to be able to answer all the questions correctly. I'm just pretty skeptical about doing this, not because it will take a long time, but because I'm not entirely sure if I'll understand it after I'm done.

    I was pretty confident when I started reading it, but not so much anymore. I'm only 13 though, so this might not have been the best idea. Any ideas on how I can understand it more? I've had no programming experience in the past, but I'm very interested in learning this.

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    Don't give up. I wish I started learning a programming language when I was 13. That way I'd feel like I actually did something constructive with my life up until I entered college -_-. Just keep at it and take your time. I have friends who showed interest in computer languages at 11-12 and they kept at it and eventually got considerably good.

    If you dont understand something or get stuck just use your resources. I've found books, lectures (from academic earth and cosmo learning), tutorials (from various websites such as youtube) extremely helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gsangha View Post
    Don't give up. I wish I started learning a programming language when I was 13. That way I'd feel like I actually did something constructive with my life up until I entered college -_-. Just keep at it and take your time. I have friends who showed interest in computer languages at 11-12 and they kept at it and eventually got considerably good.

    If you dont understand something or get stuck just use your resources. I've found books, lectures (from academic earth and cosmo learning), tutorials (from various websites such as youtube) extremely helpful.
    Thanks, that's really encouraging. I'll definitely keep trying.

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    Whether you think you can or can't starting early will only give you a head-start, therefore you should. Besides you're probably at the easiest stage of your life, since you probably have no responsibilities and loads of time on your hands, and your brain is sharp because you're at school, exercising it regularly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gsangha View Post
    Don't give up. I wish I started learning a programming language when I was 13. That way I'd feel like I actually did something constructive with my life up until I entered college -_-. Just keep at it and take your time. I have friends who showed interest in computer languages at 11-12 and they kept at it and eventually got considerably good.

    If you dont understand something or get stuck just use your resources. I've found books, lectures (from academic earth and cosmo learning), tutorials (from various websites such as youtube) extremely helpful.
    Im 15, and yeah, sometimes, when i look at tutorials, i go "wtf... dont get this" and i feel like giving up. As a matter of fact, thats how i feel right now, but i just read the tutorial again or watch the video again until i understand it :P

    Just keep trying!
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    Default Re: Do you think I can learn java?

    there are forums like this for people that are new to java so feel free to ask. my suggest: consult other books for example head first java.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocomobock View Post
    It seems as if this section is for questions involving actual Java code, so hopefully this is okay. I'm fairly far into this book I recently got, 'SAMS Teach Yourself JAVA in 24 Hours'. I'm already starting to notice that I don't necessarily understand most of what it's talking about. I've gone back into the book and realized I don't understand all of that either.

    When it comes to the quiz section of the book, I seem to be able to answer all the questions correctly. I'm just pretty skeptical about doing this, not because it will take a long time, but because I'm not entirely sure if I'll understand it after I'm done.

    I was pretty confident when I started reading it, but not so much anymore. I'm only 13 though, so this might not have been the best idea. Any ideas on how I can understand it more? I've had no programming experience in the past, but I'm very interested in learning this.
    If you want my two cents, I'd treat books like that with skepticism. They might be okay as add-ons to your education, but I wouldn't approach them as your only source of information.

    The reason for this is that you simply can't learn very much in 24 hours. You'll be programming for years and still learning new things every day! Plus the book must gloss over concepts that other courses of education would spend more time one- for example, if you were in a class, you'd probably spend a few days on variables, a few days on if statements, a few days on for loops, etc. Trying to learn all of that at one time can be overwhelming. No wonder you're confused!

    Instead, I'd recommend you work your way through the tutorials - SLOWLY. Try out every single example, and then play with the code to change its behavior. Ask questions here and post your code when you get confused about a concept. When you work through the tutorials (which should take weeks or months, not hours or days), you might think about starting your own project and dive in, because the best way to learn how to program is by programming.
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    I'm from the Dijkstra school of thought where computer science is just a branch of discrete mathematics; I've never seen it shown otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JosAH View Post
    I'm from the Dijkstra school of thought where computer science is just a branch of discrete mathematics; I've never seen it shown otherwise.

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    Warning: Ramblings ahead. Proceed with caution and skepticism.

    That's the "neat" approach, but another approach is more "scruffy", where things aren't as exact or organized. It's the difference between a solution being correct (I've found the exact shortest path, and I can prove it, but it took a week) versus reasonable (I took the scenic route, but it only took me a few minutes). Yet another argument can be made that programming is just as much an art as it is a science (and languages like Processing, which is built on Java, are trying to take advantage of).

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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinWorkman View Post
    That's the "neat" approach, but another approach is more "scruffy", where things aren't as exact or organized. It's the difference between a solution being correct (I've found the exact shortest path, and I can prove it, but it took a week) versus reasonable (I took the scenic route, but it only took me a few minutes). Yet another argument can be made that programming is just as much an art as it is a science (and languages like Processing, which is built on Java, are trying to take advantage of).
    If computer programming is an art as in Donald Knuth's "The Art Of Computer Programming" I fully agrree, otherwise terms like "sloppy" come to mind; something we see more than enough ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinWorkman View Post
    If you want my two cents, I'd treat books like that with skepticism. They might be okay as add-ons to your education, but I wouldn't approach them as your only source of information.

    The reason for this is that you simply can't learn very much in 24 hours. You'll be programming for years and still learning new things every day! Plus the book must gloss over concepts that other courses of education would spend more time one- for example, if you were in a class, you'd probably spend a few days on variables, a few days on if statements, a few days on for loops, etc. Trying to learn all of that at one time can be overwhelming. No wonder you're confused!

    Instead, I'd recommend you work your way through the tutorials - SLOWLY. Try out every single example, and then play with the code to change its behavior. Ask questions here and post your code when you get confused about a concept. When you work through the tutorials (which should take weeks or months, not hours or days), you might think about starting your own project and dive in, because the best way to learn how to program is by programming.
    That's very true. I'll try the tutorials and hopefully understand more. I hope I'll know Java well enough to make a simple game before next September at least, cause I wanted to make a game for my family for christmas :P but yeah, thanks a lot.

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    Currently you are in the best learning stage of your life. What I recommend is you draw out your problems, questions, and even your lesson. At young ages your brain absorbs things rapidly, so why not put it in ways that your brain can absorb it even faster. If you take the time to think about everything and then interpret it into pictures you will find you not only memorize things faster but even understand them better because you then associate each part of your lesson to something you have drawn or created. I think you will find this the most beneficial no matter what you apply it to. I used it while I was in school, I still use it now when I look at a problem. Before I start any Java project I draw out what I need and what it will do and then I turn it into text.

    Try that, but if you ever feel frustrated you should stop and take a break for a little. Go for a walk, grab a snack or distract yourself for a little while until you can think clearly again.
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    Thanks a lot everyone. I've tried experimenting with code, and I've gotten it to do a few different things. Youtube tutorials seem really useful too. I'm pretty hopeful about this. I at least wanna be able to know how to make a simple game before next September or October, cause I wanna make a game for my family for christmas :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocomobock View Post
    Thanks a lot everyone. I've tried experimenting with code, and I've gotten it to do a few different things. Youtube tutorials seem really useful too. I'm pretty hopeful about this. I at least wanna be able to know how to make a simple game before next September or October, cause I wanna make a game for my family for christmas :P
    That seems like a reasonable goal. Working through the tutorials and then taking on something fun is one of the best ways to learn.
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    I'm 15 and took an interest when i was like 12 and got Ivor Horton's visual C++ book, which i read and thought was all gibberish. However, i did understand some things and my understanding grew as i experimented more and more.
    After trying to learn OOP and classes in C++ i gave up, i found it impossible to get my head around it, then i discovered Java and started playing with it. I started to understand OOP in bits and found the only way i could understand things was to experiment with them.
    And that's my life story..... :)

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    This tutorial will probably be a bit much for you currently, but in time I believe it will be a nice starting point for games. While it certainly is not perfect and there are some problems, it is worth reading and playing with. After designing following the tutorial, it should be quite simple to extrapolate and use similar approaches for early programs. As already stated, open yourself up to learning as much as possible and programming won't be too bad. Learn as much math as you can and just keep yourself active. Try reading more then one book if you are feeling courageous. Have other book ideas lines up as well.

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    Can you specify the name of that book please...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by naveenpaul1987 View Post
    Can you specify the name of that book please...?
    He already did. Or what did you think HDTP stands for?

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    Also, to clarify, HTDP is the name of the book and it stands for "How to Design Programs." I must add that this is not a java book, in fact it's not even a book on a language with the same paradigm as Java. It is a functional language which uses quite a lot of recursion. The language of choice is Dr. Scheme, which is a dialect of lisp. I mention this book because it was very beneficial to me and was actually the first programming book I really understood. I'm not saying don't learn Java, and instead read this book, I'm simply supplying you with the info for the future, or current if you decide you are interested in it.

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