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    Default Please help......

    Hi All,

    I would like to train as a java web developer but I'm stuck as to where to begin. I'm not a programming beginner but my experience is around procedural languages (RPG).

    Could someone tell me:
    where to start, ie how to choose frameworks and other technologies.
    do i need to be expert with SE before advancing to EE
    do i need to be fully conversant with OOP or is an understanding enough
    do i need webspace to create a website for training or can the pc be used as the server
    can you use oracle as the database on a PC
    any online resources and books that teach using eclipse and chosen framework etc

    I hope this makes sense and thanks for reading. Any help greatly appreciated, I really need to modernise my skillset. Jobs are hard to come by in RPG.

    Tomo

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    Default Re: Please help......

    Many of your questions can be answered by Google. Grab a decent Java book (please don't ask for recommendations as it has been asked and answered many times), search for online tutorials, search the forum. Read, read and read some more. When you have problems post your code, include error messages and ask a specific question.

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    Default Re: Please help......

    Quote Originally Posted by Junky View Post
    Many of your questions can be answered by Google. Grab a decent Java book (please don't ask for recommendations as it has been asked and answered many times), search for online tutorials, search the forum. Read, read and read some more. When you have problems post your code, include error messages and ask a specific question.
    Done google, provided more questions than answered!

    To the beginner, java EE is a very overwhelming subject, ie do you need EJB or hibernate, JSP or JSF! I suspect it is impossible for the beginner to select the correct framework and related technologies for a realistic chance of employment through home study. I was hoping for the experienced to help understand what is needed.

    Thanks for taking the time to post though.

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    Honestly the way I see it is when you pick up an Intro to Java book, it will teach you the fundamentals. After learning the fundamentals, pick up a specific framework book. As you learn your way through the Java basics it will become more clear to you what frameworks you should pursue. That and if you know and sound like you have some experience in Java, people will be more inclined to help you pick a framework.

    tl;dr IMO I wouldn't try to jump directly into a specific specialized framework to start learning Java.

    As for everything else, your computer can be the server for what ever Java you are learning. You should understand OOP, and a good intro to Java book will help expand on that basic knowledge. Its is recommended to read a book on OOP also to help you master the concept. There are a ton of resources out there online, however most of them are generalized. I do not know of any that teach directly from the Eclipse IDE through each different framework. The Oracle tutorials are rather generalized and you should have no problem following them in notepad or any other IDE you choose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark View Post
    Honestly the way I see it is when you pick up an Intro to Java book, it will teach you the fundamentals. After learning the fundamentals, pick up a specific framework book. As you learn your way through the Java basics it will become more clear to you what frameworks you should pursue. That and if you know and sound like you have some experience in Java, people will be more inclined to help you pick a framework.

    tl;dr IMO I wouldn't try to jump directly into a specific specialized framework to start learning Java.

    As for everything else, your computer can be the server for what ever Java you are learning. You should understand OOP, and a good intro to Java book will help expand on that basic knowledge. Its is recommended to read a book on OOP also to help you master the concept. There are a ton of resources out there online, however most of them are generalized. I do not know of any that teach directly from the Eclipse IDE through each different framework. The Oracle tutorials are rather generalized and you should have no problem following them in notepad or any other IDE you choose.
    Thanks for that - appreciated.

    The problem I have is I have a couple of years experience using java with in-house tools. An ERP vendor I used to work for rewrote their product in java. They wrote a foundation layer that simulated the iSeries and RPG. This was able to be implemented on any platform and open up the marketplace. Essentially as a developer I used java that simulated RPG. So I really only got the syntax.

    This experience has made it even harder than being a beginner. I know the syntax and want to get stuck in but have no idea where to start. I guess I start with some video tutorials on youtube.

    Thanks again

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