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    Hi all,

    I am Bas from Holland, 33 years old and I decided to focus me on becoming a java/c++ programmer.

    I have a little experience with java when i studied business computing 5 years ago. Now I am looking for some good courses to get a good basis in Java programming. Any of you can push me in the right direction to start?

    Any help is much appreciated.

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    Install latest JDK version on your PC, and click on Suns' official Java tutorial. You can find the link on my signature as well, if you are lazy to search on Google. That's all you want.

    Oh yes, you need an IDE as well. My advice is to start with the Notepad + command prompt. Later on move to an advance IDE like NetBeans, Eclipse and so on.

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    I am playing around with Eclipse now. Why should i start with notepad + command prompt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bas76 View Post
    I am playing around with Eclipse now. Why should i start with notepad + command prompt?
    My advice is to start out using BlueJ - to get a better understanding of how classes and objects work and how objects have methods you can call and so on.

    Unfortunately you'd need to buy a book to get everything fully explained.

    If you don't intend to buy anything, then you can always just start out with their provided Java projects related to each chapter:
    Objects First With Java - A Practical Introduction Using BlueJ <-- After clicking this link you should click on "Book Projects (zip file, 1.7Mb)" in the "Resources" box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bas76 View Post
    I am playing around with Eclipse now. Why should i start with notepad + command prompt?
    Then you can memorize basic syntax of Java. That's really helpful in many aspects. Specially with keywords. If you could use notepad++ then you can see keyword in different colors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muskar View Post
    My advice is to start out using BlueJ - to get a better understanding of how classes and objects work and how objects have methods you can call and so on.
    Those are conceptual basis, you cannot learn them with an IDE. Only you need is the best materials to learn concepts of Java.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eranga View Post
    Those are conceptual basis, you cannot learn them with an IDE. Only you need is the best materials to learn concepts of Java.
    Just curious, have you ever tried BlueJ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bas76 View Post
    I am playing around with Eclipse now. Why should i start with notepad + command prompt?
    There's nothing wrong with Eclipse (or Netbeans or whatever) per se, but keep in mind that those IDEs are really good and they hide a lot of the gory details from you (e.g. it can generate a jar file for you with just a few mouse clicks or it can create getter and setter methods for you, also with a few clicks etc.); details you might not be aware of; when you use the original Sun/Oracle toolchain you're dealing with those details and you are forced to understand them.

    kind regards,

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    Quote Originally Posted by JosAH View Post
    There's nothing wrong with Eclipse (or Netbeans or whatever) per se, but keep in mind that those IDEs are really good and they hide a lot of the gory details from you (e.g. it can generate a jar file for you with just a few mouse clicks or it can create getter and setter methods for you, also with a few clicks etc.); details you might not be aware of; when you use the original Sun/Oracle toolchain you're dealing with those details and you are forced to understand them.

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    I'm totally agreed with you Jos. I think that's the reason, heavily relay on IDEs and don't care what's really happening there. So they end up with a black-box in.

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    Ah well, my opinion still stands. But I think we can all agree that it depends on what degree you want to use your knowledge.
    I, for one, am only going to use this for my studies, and my career afterwards. I have, at this point, no intention of going deeper than required from my education.

    If, for example, one strives to become a hacker, I'd presume it wouldn't harm to go as deep as possible to understand what it's all about.
    - Or you could just have a very high interest in the history of programming tools.

    It's up to you.

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    Everything is depends on the your personal interesting, on which area. But people sometime confusing to select a one from a huge list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JosAH View Post
    There's nothing wrong with Eclipse (or Netbeans or whatever) per se, but keep in mind that those IDEs are really good and they hide a lot of the gory details from you (e.g. it can generate a jar file for you with just a few mouse clicks or it can create getter and setter methods for you, also with a few clicks etc.); details you might not be aware of; when you use the original Sun/Oracle toolchain you're dealing with those details and you are forced to understand them.

    kind regards,

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    It sounds like you're suggesting that Eclipse and all the other enhanced IDE's force you to use the shortcuts.

    From my experience unless you are actively attempting to use these tools they aren't automatically added in for you. I use Eclipse for the tips it gives me on errors and the automatic closing and indentation tools it has.

    I understand why you are suggesting Notepad with the Command Prompt but I don't believe that its the only way you can understand these concepts. As long as the developer isn't being lazy while learning and using shortcuts, you're just as forced to understand the concepts.
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    Hehe, this post is a bit old dark.

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    Oh wow, shame on ovesevignee for bumping it. Talk about necromancy.
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