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    Tolls is offline Moderator
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    It takes time to learn Java...you hit the nail on the head.
    To expect to be spoonfed...well, let's just say it's frowned upon. And we did give the OP hints, and he singularly failed to act on them for ages.

    As for "your boss is an eejit"...they are. See my first sentence in this post for the reason.

    We are not here to do someone else's work for them. We can guide, but it's up to the poster to actually accept and learn from that guidance.

    As for the tutorials, I have already pointed out that the trails work very well for anyone who has some grasp of programming concepts.

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    It takes time to learn Java...you hit the nail on the head.
    "I am used to french so I cant figure its meaning.
    THere are more VB training centers than JAVA in many countries."

    To expect to be spoonfed...well, let's just say it's frowned upon. And we did give the OP hints, and he singularly failed to act on them for ages.
    "If you are working somewhere and you come back with a solution after ages you are fired. Do you want to get paid for your support ask the person"

    As for "your boss is an eejit"...they are. See my first sentence in this post for the reason.
    "If BOSS are idiot then those working under them are moron. and you what are you"

    We are not here to do someone else's work for them. We can guide, but it's up to the poster to actually accept and learn from that guidance.
    "He accepted and was humble and also expressed his feeling thats all. A tutorial website cannot make you solve all problems"

    As for the tutorials, I have already pointed out that the trails work very well for anyone who has some grasp of programming concepts.
    "It works but depending how you aretaught and raised at school. Someone in Somalia cant grasp as someone in INDIA. Each citizen react differently."

    I am not expert in JAVa but i will be one day but i am expert in other things which today forced me to reply to you guys. Just help him he will help others. No matter if its spoonfeeding it might help him to feed his children or association for handicapes he is looking after. Dont look at the small picture look at the big one. If you dont want help him dont help, others will do or he will simply switch to other forum . Game over.

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    I found
    W3Schools Online Web Tutorials

    to be very easy to learn. Is there any other website for learning Java other than sun.

    Sun will be good for referencing,.

    rg

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    Quote Originally Posted by snehal View Post
    It takes time to learn Java...you hit the nail on the head.
    "I am used to french so I cant figure its meaning.
    THere are more VB training centers than JAVA in many countries."
    "Hit the nail on the head"...means "you are correct"...or "spot on" if you like.

    VB and Java really aren't comparable...Java is closer to C++ in many respects. VB is designed for quick application development on a single operating system, Java isn't.

    People haven't bothered creating an online Java training site (for free, presumably?) because most feel the Sun site is sufficient, if you follow the trails and understanding programming concepts (how many times do I have to say that?). Don't expect to learn Java by leaping into Swing, or J2EE, or JDBC...something we see all too often here.

    Quote Originally Posted by snehal View Post
    To expect to be spoonfed...well, let's just say it's frowned upon. And we did give the OP hints, and he singularly failed to act on them for ages.
    "If you are working somewhere and you come back with a solution after ages you are fired. Do you want to get paid for your support ask the person"
    I am a Java professional...I have worked with people who have claimed to be Java professionals by getting the certification, largely through learning by rote, and who knew squit diddly. I don't want to work with people like that. Spoonfeeding answers means people (often) get marks (or praise) for stuff they didn't do, and then I end up having to work with them or pick up the pieces.

    Sorry if it sounds harsh.

    Quote Originally Posted by snehal View Post
    As for "your boss is an eejit"...they are. See my first sentence in this post for the reason.
    "If BOSS are idiot then those working under them are moron. and you what are you"
    Any manager that thinks they can hand a Java development task to someone who has never been trained in Java is an idiot. No two ways about it. And, to be frank, it's not just Java, it applies to many languages.

    Quote Originally Posted by snehal View Post
    We are not here to do someone else's work for them. We can guide, but it's up to the poster to actually accept and learn from that guidance.
    "He accepted and was humble and also expressed his feeling thats all. A tutorial website cannot make you solve all problems"
    But it can give you the grounding and basics so that we here don't have to explain how to structure a Java class! That's what the tutorials do.

    Quote Originally Posted by snehal View Post
    As for the tutorials, I have already pointed out that the trails work very well for anyone who has some grasp of programming concepts.
    "It works but depending how you aretaught and raised at school. Someone in Somalia cant grasp as someone in INDIA. Each citizen react differently."
    If someone has had programming training (and I'm not talking about school) then the tutorials are more than sufficient. Remember, Sun/Oracle gets no money from this.

    Quote Originally Posted by snehal View Post
    I am not expert in JAVa but i will be one day but i am expert in other things which today forced me to reply to you guys. Just help him he will help others. No matter if its spoonfeeding it might help him to feed his children or association for handicapes he is looking after. Dont look at the small picture look at the big one. If you dont want help him dont help, others will do or he will simply switch to other forum . Game over.
    Spoonfeeding is the bane of the industry. As I said above, I have had to pick up the pieces of people who have managed to get through courses and get their piece of paper through handing in work that wasn't their own. I then have to try and develop against systems these idiots have written.

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    Tolls is not only right but very professional in his answers. 80% of any programming project is done by only and i am being generous 20% of those employed.

    The OP has many doubts around his claims, for instance he claimed he was a c++ programmer but appeared to be lost when it came to exception handling, thats sounds like BS to me, or he got the job on grades and no real programming passion. Colleges are dirt for learning programming, sure they learn you the basics, (which the OP seemed to have forgot, or was taught nothing more than basic website scripting languages which I think is true). But any serious software developer would already recognise that colleges teach them nothing and code every chance they get to be a real programmer

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    Ok So I've been on holiday for the past two weeks while people have been arguin on my post...nice.

    I can't stress enough the fact that my profession is not to be a JAVA PROGRAMMER, I mainly deal with front end stuff I.E. HTML, JAVASCRIPT, FLASH etc. I STUDIED listen carefully (STUDIED) some programming at university, I Did not copy off ANYONE i attained a 93% in my degree so clearly im not a retard.

    I havn't done any programming for over a year and YES that was with C++, my boss asked me if this is something that I would take an interest in, and being a junior at a new company i said yes, because thats what you do. People say jump and you say how high. Thats the way industry works right?? do the bit*h work to get the better stuff.

    Just to clarify again, my degree was not in programming it was in Multimedia Technology, i speacialised in web design and computer animation, i.e. 3d max toy story animation packages, html, css, javascript etc. Programming modules were simply some compulsary modules i had to take in my second year.

    I never said the sun site couldnt work i just said that it was crap in comparison with other tutorial sites. Like w3 schools or tizag. Its not the content thats the problem, i.e. the code its the way its referenced and presented. Its very sloppy making it difficult to follow thats all i meant.

    Im still greatfull to all the guys that have contributed. but rli????? i mean come on. I understand SOME people are gna be protective of Oracle and Sun but secretly how many of us agree even slightly with some of this.

    Anyway i really cba to argue, its getting a bit childish, we all have our own opinions and thoughts and we are all very much entitled to them. Lets just agree to disagree.

    regards Nick
    Last edited by nickrowe_2k; 06-28-2010 at 10:47 AM.

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