Software Engineers

[pheonix]

Hi again :)

I just wanted to know. Is there any Software Engineers or Computer Science majors in this forum? Or are most of you guys just learned this stuff on your own?

[Nicholas Jordan]

Several persons are formally trained or equivalent field experience. We get some weak questions, but people who run the forum are remarkably well studied in general.

That is not to say that the answer you get will be from one of them.

[Eranga]

All of them are here. :)

I'm a software engineer, and there are more here too. Some of them are learning Java, actually almost all learning new things everyday. Each day we found newbies here in our community too, moving to the first step into Java.

What's the point that you want to know it? Any special reason.

[pheonix]

Well.. Ya. I am Software Engineer too. I just wanted to know who else is a Software Engineer, so that in case I need to ask a question or anything I know who I can count on ^.^

[Eranga]

But keep in mind, that all software engineers not keen at all. It depends.

[Niveditha]

Pheonix?? Very much inspired by Harry Potter is it?? ;)

Hi, even i am a software engineer here.

What i would suggest you is instead of counting on whether there are software engineers or not? Count on whether the ppl here are able to help you or not and how much you are learning.

There is nothing wrong if you learn something even from a java student, in that sense to see we adults have to learn a lot from childrens like sharing, indescrimination, selflessness and etc etc isnt it? Be open to learning...

[pheonix]

No no .. I didn't mean that I want Software Engineers to help me with programing. I mean with the major itself (should have made that more clear). And no I was not inspired by Harry Potter :P .. a pheonix is an old legend of an Arabian bird who never dies. It set itself ablaze the is reborn from it's ashes. :)

[Norm]

What is a software engineer? How does it compare to being a computer programmer?
I always thought that engineers drove trains or built bridges.

[Eranga]

Actually what I think is engineers are the people who guided programmers, basically developers. Actually we can't compare, but they have a better guide for developers, in architect level also. At the same time keep in mind that engineers are not the best always.

Don't get angry with me, this is my personal thought.

[Norm]

Sorry, I was making a joke. A company I worked for years ago started giving titles to different people as rewards for doing a good job (instead of pay raises) and it got sort of silly after while.

[serjant]

Actually,I studied for a Software Engineer degree,but there is also A Computer Science degree,and I understood,that people with Computer science degree develop algorithms and guide the projects,and Software Engineers write the code.Am I right?

[nishant]

hey i am also software engineer i would like to ask everybody that, is there any way of getting the exact code when needed.

[Eku]

uumm I'm a Software Engineer too ^_^ I'll share my point of view about this

Software Engineers build the system.
Engineering = Design, create and build. They should have the knowledge in all stages of the System Developtment and most likely he/she will be the one who knows the whole project and interacts with all the persons involve (from the User, the Boss, and The development team)

Of course the system would not finished on time without the Team which is consist mainly of Analyst, Programmer , database admin (if needed) and Testers

Computer Science = They are experts in software designs and algorithm thats they are the most suitable person on System Analyst who is the one who knows the papers works and integration of each modules. They can be programmers or database admins.

Testers = they are those what they called Quality Assurance team. They make reports for any bugs and error of the system for revision.

^_^ i hope i made somethings clear about Computer Science and Software Engineers. Computer Science people can be software engineers with some special trainings and special courses. While Engineers such as Computer Engineers and some ECE can be software engineers without any certifications all they need is some training and the ability to create systems simply because they already have a background in architechture and they know (especially Computer Engineers) how the system works from Hardware (binary data) to Software (ex.Java ). =P
But it all depends on the person how well he/she can create a excellent system on time ^_^

[fishtoprecords]

Actually,I studied for a Software Engineer degree,but there is also A Computer Science degree,and I understood,that people with Computer science degree develop algorithms and guide the projects,and Software Engineers write the code.Am I right?

No.
Seriously.

There are no hard and fast rules.

[fishtoprecords]

When I was studying for my PhD, the CS folks asked "where is the Engineering in Software Engineering?" and laughed. To which the SE folks would ask "Where is the science in Computer Science" and laugh.

When I took my brother, who is a licensed Professional Engineer to one of my Software Engineering classes, we went out for a beer afterwords. He laughed, and said that there was zero Engineering in the class. Moreso, he said that he was tempted to write to the State accreditation board, who license Professional Engineers and Registered Architects, and tell them that the "software engineering" class was a fraud because it was so lacking in engineering.

In most states in the US, you can not name a company "Foobaz Engineering" without having a licensed Professional Engineer as a managing partner. And since there are no licensed Professional Engineers in "software" there can be no firm with a name like "Fishtop Software Engineering". Period.

What actually happens in most software development is far more art than engineering. An engineer can give a good estimate of the cost of a building, car, or airplane, and its performance characteristics, before the design is more than about 10 percent done. When the design is half done, they can get the price and specs right to within 10 percent or so. Often, they can get it right within one percent.

If a software development project comes in only twice as late and predicted, and double the initial budget, the manager is a hero.

[serjant]

I think now the things became more clear.Thanks for the answers
Two monthes ago i finished working in Israel as Software Engineer,and there,in the company,i had seen such tendention:
Of course we had teams,each team had its own target to do: one team is responsible for Database,the second team is responsible for coding the core stuff and so and so on,but all the teams collaborate with each other.In most cases the people who were in the team had passed the courses or had had a Software Engineer degree,and not so big amount of workers had had the Computer Science degree,who developed the algorithms.
And i was just wondering,why the Software Engineer couldn't also develop algorithms?
But as "fishtoprecords said":

the CS folks asked "where is the Engineering in Software Engineering?" and laughed. To which the SE folks would ask "Where is the science in Computer Science" and laugh.

[nishant]

Hi all...........i mean i want someone who help me at the time of need....i have been new to this community and dont know mush about it, usually i got stuck when i do coding so i wrote in my last post that i want someone that help me and provide me exact code with no error....sorry if i am asking such type of question but seriously i need help from all my community members, and i know this would definetly work for me....thanx

[Eranga]

Actually all members are here ready to help you pal. Doesn't matter he/she is an engineer or not. But you have to keep in mind few things, when you are looking help from other members.

1. Explain your question as much as clearly.
2. Before ask a question try in your best, may be you can fail, it doesn't matter. Point is, no one here wants to write code for you. Try something, if you are going wrong we can guide you to the correct way.