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    Default Expert needed! Is this file coped from another!

    Hey all.

    Most of you probably know this java-game, Minecraft.

    I am hoster of few Minecraft servers. We run the servers on open source bukkit server.

    You can alter the way how the server works with plugins. Plugins are small addons that are coded by java. Plugins are in mos cases super simple.

    We create plugins for our need on our own. We publish them in bukkit.dev where moderators have to approve them.

    We have created a plugin that hides yourself from other players on the server so you can spy them. We built it from scratch without looking at other codes. We had problems earlier when we "borrowed" some code from anither plugin, but that case is closed now.

    Now we have been banned from bukkit.dev because one moderator keeps telling us that we have copied his plugin. Of course some parts look same, because it has same functionality. Both plugins make player invisible. Our plugin is however more compatible with other plugins, with better permission support, and config options to stay invisible at logout and to make fake quits/joins.

    We know our plugin is not a copy. It certainly is not. We created this plugin without looking at other sources. This moderator still keeps telling us that we copied his plugin and we remain banned because of that.

    Could some java experts please take a look at the source codes and confirm that the plugin we created is not a copy? This situation creates lots of stress to us because we should get back to bukkit.dev to stay up-to-date and to get updating our already existing plugins.

    Our plugin AholaVanish that is accused of being a copy.
    https://github.com/lololmaker/AholaVanish

    EasyVanish. Not our plugin. This is what they say it copied from.
    https://github.com/VanishNoPacket/EasyVanish


    Thank you for your time! We really really appreciate it. Thanks!

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    Default Re: Expert needed! Is this file coped from another!

    I'm not sure how our opinion would matter in this disagreement, and in my mind, the most definitive way to solve this would be to hire an intellectual property attorney who specializes in software to look this over. But I'm also sure that their rates aren't cheap.

    Also, this has nothing to do with a "New to Java" type question. Moving to the forum lobby -- unless you are offering to pay someone for their services (a fair thing to do) in which case I'd move this to jobs offer.

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    Default Re: Expert needed! Is this file coped from another!

    All we need is confirming in comments that our plugin is no copy. It can be simply seen for just quick view!

    We are only accused of copying inside the bukkit.dev team. They do not listen to us, and we simply need some proof.

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    Default Re: Expert needed! Is this file coped from another!

    Quote Originally Posted by Weja View Post
    All we need is confirming in comments that our plugin is no copy. It can be simply seen for just quick view!

    We are only accused of copying inside the bukkit.dev team. They do not listen to us, and we simply need some proof.
    You have quite a bit of code and are asking for an "expert opinion". In my view you should probably pay for this service.

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    Default Re: Expert needed! Is this file coped from another!

    Quote Originally Posted by Fubarable View Post
    the most definitive way to solve this would be to hire an intellectual property attorney
    Definitive?

    Somewhere in these videos the lecturer contrasts US federal law relating to murder (covered in a couple of pages or so) with that relating to IP. Legislators and judges consider the latter so much more important that they fill shelf after shelf of libraries with the relevant (and binding) law.

    I suspect the attorneys have to undergo special training so they can keep from smirking if ever their client mentions "definitive".
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    Default Re: Expert needed! Is this file coped from another!

    All I need is opinions. They prove their side as opinions as well. Bukkit community staff has attacked against us, and they together say that it is stolen. They only state their "facts" due to their feelings, and my feelings do not cost in this case at all.

    I only wanted Expert opinion, because most of the bukkit.dev staff is not Experts, and they might respect opinion of better coder. Thank you though.

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    Default Re: Expert needed! Is this file coped from another!

    @pbrockway: Point taken. The way to get a lawyer to agree with your opinion is pay him.
    @Weja: by what criteria do any of us gain the mantle of "expert"?

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    Default Re: Expert needed! Is this file coped from another!

    You can decide yourself if you are Expert or not. In bukkit.dev they call each other talented coders, when their plugins are type of that EasyVanish. Which does not prove much.

    For real, Expert is not needed. All you need is basic abilities to understand java. You can see easily that the plugins are not copied from each other.

    Sorry for confusign with "Expert" but anyone who just looks at the sources can say that they are not copies from each other.

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    Default Re: Expert needed! Is this file coped from another!

    Quote Originally Posted by Weja View Post
    We know our plugin is not a copy. It certainly is not. We created this plugin without looking at other sources. This moderator still keeps telling us that we copied his plugin and we remain banned because of that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Weja View Post
    Sorry for confusign with "Expert" but anyone who just looks at the sources can say that they are not copies from each other.
    Aren't there multiple moderators on this website? Are you saying that every moderator is intentionally ganging up on you without good reason?

    If they truly know that your program is not a copy but are blindly siding with your opponent simply because he is a fellow moderator, then I don't see how an opinion from even an expert on here would change their minds.
    "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." - Winston Churchill

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    Default Re: Expert needed! Is this file coped from another!

    I couldn't believe it could he this difficult. Thank you though.

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