Most of pupils not gain valued experience.

[Nicholas Jordan]

Actually, that's both a deep issue and a total joke ( for me ) I move here as more of joke for me than workable deep issue. Time dialation should be routine study in Kindergarten, today - it's the pupil's pupils that are dialated and we still cannot build a whiskey still upon graduation from Primary Education, but we damn sure get taxed on it trying to figure simple security issues. One would think that a pin is pin-headed as a security id, but no one live without several of them today.

I diverge: It is native state of student ~ a matter of what the student as a person is interested in. Shop or Shopping. [ like it's some major accomplishment to spend money at the mall ]

[xcallmejudasx]

Hey Nicholas I'm under the assumption your a professor, is this true? All your posts that I've read show me that you really know a ton about everything and I think it would be an invaluable learning experience to take one of your classes. I live in the southwest also and was thinking about looking into signing up for one of your classes(if you are in fact a professor and if it's even possible not being a student of that university)

[CJSLMAN]

The title of your post caught my eye, Nicholas, because it's something that I've been wanting to discuss in this forum (although we are in the jokes/funny part of the forum). So many of the posters appear to be students (not sure if collage studs), yet their lack of interest in programming is apalling. Most of them are in a sorta give-me-the-working-code-now mode with absolutely no interest of learning or gaining experience.
Shouldn't they be studying something that they like or are passionate about? Maybe that's the funny part about it ... the jokes on them?

CJSL

[fishtoprecords]

So many of the posters appear to be students (not sure if collage studs), yet their lack of interest in programming is apalling.

For sure. I don't understand why anyone would study programming/java with so little interest, and no evidence of being willing to do *any* work.

Frankly, the level of questions on this "largest Java community" is distressing.

[Nicholas Jordan]

Interesting, appealing, tweaks the infernals in my internals..... no, I walked out of UT Austin after 17 hours. My approach is not unusual, though I score 131 on Stanford-Binet ( or did on at least one metric in school ) what we are at issue herewith is ( often but not always ) reflected or available for study in shop or practical in traditional education. Much races through my mind here, Doctorates can split nuances but there are just too many diffractions available here to settle into one or a few avenues.

I was sitting in a Saloon one day ( some Saloon, they won't even let their wives cuss and chew tobbacco ) and ftr weighs in with a few tidbits in the advanced forum. I instantly recognized some very advanced baiting, but had to restrain myself a few posts until I could get something I could bite on without being constrained by socialites. Within a few posts, there was an issue placed by him which was obviously over-eager compiler optimizing done when single threaded operation was just about all the Java stack could do on then contemporary processors. It took me a few hours or a few days to find the relevant work, telling in that the engineers who provided the discussion had to sign raw, html 1.0 with advanced cryptologic tools to thwart twisting of their words.

The person who originally wrote the code is now Head Moe In Charge for cs security where Captiain Hopper originally sat down to push graphite across hot caliber paper......( ftr will know what I am saying here ) Simple, obvious, a blatant attack on ignorance.

Ignorance is the enemy.

Our University, now being formed, will be called Road Dog Cafe. We will do it as open fora, whatever rules are needed will be solely to prevent takedown by "Cheap Check Chuck", a beaver who can check the cheeks of .....

aw, screw it - bust this:

    private static final int [] digraphs = {-8,9,-15,18,-8,-14,10,-6,3,-1,14,-7,6};// tech override, app enters controlled state

[xcallmejudasx]

For sure. I don't understand why anyone would study programming/java with so little interest, and no evidence of being willing to do *any* work.

Frankly, the level of questions on this "largest Java community" is distressing.

Alot of universities now require a minimum of CS 101 for any major so a lot of the students actually have no interest at all and are just doing it because it's required. Programming is my passion, Science is not, I am still required to take chemistry, biology, etc and I have the same mentality these students do. I don't care how it works, I will never deal with it outside of this class, just give me some answers so I can pass and get back to what really matters to me.

[fishtoprecords]

Science is not, I am still required to take chemistry, biology, etc and I have the same mentality these students do. I don't care how it works, I will never deal with it outside of this class, just give me some answers so I can pass and get back to what really matters to me.

They are not "students", they are warm bodies clogging up valuable seats in the classroom.

You need chemistry and physics to understand how the world works. You need English, literature and philosophy to know how humans interact. You should learn history to know how humans interact when they can't communicate (History is mostly about conflict and war).

It is rare, very rare, that a developer is so good that he/she can earn a living on pure technical skills. You need to communicate so you can know what is needed.

[CJSLMAN]

I agree with ftr ... most of what you get in collage is valuable. Ageed, as a programmer you won't be asked to develop a pill that will cure in-grown toe nails like a chemist would, but it's nice to have a splattering idea what's in the stuff we ingest (food, pills, foreign objects, etc). It wasn't until I had worked a few years (and still do today) that I realized how important those "other" courses were.
Ah... history... great topic... I see it as a way to learn from the mistakes from the past.. but unfortunately we never learn: curiously, history also teaches us this also :-(
Don't go down the path of learning with side-blinds... I studied electrinocs (love it!!!) and have spent most of my career in SW (love it too) eithar as a programmer or as a project mananger (someplace in between I was a quality engineer, test engineer and procurement engineer). Who knows what the future holds for you/us.

Luck,
CJSL

[Nicholas Jordan]

Okay, let's take this in the direction of reliability vis-a-vis issues on the board here. First thing I notice is Chris (CJSLMAN) has posted, it's too easy for me to anticipate some issues that Pat may place in the discussion, so I get a popup dialog box on "Revocation information is not available for Security Cert ..."

URL=ldap://ds-3.c3pki.chamb.disa.mil/cn%3dDOD%20CLASS%203%20CA-7%2cou%3dPKI%2cou%3dDoD%2co%3dU.S.%20Government%2cc%3dUS

trying to figure out what SW is. Obviously, several explainations are available on Google. Most ( not all ) people are doing the 'warm body' thing, tucked in with a $20,000 Piano either in the front room or hopes of "One day ...." News is that General Mukasey collapsed last evening at G.W.U. and the auto industry is no longer on automatic. When Pat and I came up, gas was twenty cents a gallon and automatic transmissions were considered special needs tool for those who cannot double-clutch a 23-speed. ( that is a transmission for 65,000 pound trucks that is notoriously prone to lockout if it is not shifted with exactitude and precison skillls )

Okay, warm bodies: We had at our elementary school a bookmobile. After tediously searching for science and technology and doing so in repeated attempts, I reported to the person appearing to have authority that there was no science or what science there was available was clearly lacking. IOW - defective product: It was not a bookmobile. In fact, I even considered at that time or thereabouts a mathematical issue which I now know to be the mathematical core of Public Key Cryptography. What I got was a version of warm bodies which translates as: "Oh, that stuff does not matter." and clear directions to become interested in something I was not interested in. Total Bull

The literature shows multiple incidents that are directly linked to work by persons lacking Pure Technical Skills, but every day insturmentaion and control allow uniformed traffic enforcement to set / reset traffic control signalling. I doubt any of those have any interest at all in CS 101 and just get hope to get the traffic running and get back to what really matters. Funny ( topic of conversation here ) is that 9 of 10 legally recordable incidents involving harm to human body or significant damage to property are traffic related. I dare anyone to get on the broadcast news propositioning 90 days at County busting minerals for vehicular traffic issues, what we normally see to the point that we run blindside, is criminality as we see it positioned.

One is well intended, the other takes intentional action. Ignorance is no excuse under the hangman's noose. So where did we unlink between enrollment and The Law. If anything, a university is a legally sanctioned sanctuary for warm bodies.