Originally Posted by
masijade
If you started out by immediately attempting to learn all these frameworks and the like, then, IMHO, you were led astray.
No, I didn't start immediately with all those frameworks. But apart from that I do not know all the libraries and methods by heart. I have to often scroll a little through the available methods of an object to find the matching one.
And then there are the typos. So the IDE helps me a lot immediately popping up with the javadoc and marking lines with syntax errors. I don't think, that I should rather try it "by hand" manually. After some hello world tests I think I understood the most important basics. After the initial first steps I think it is already worth using an IDE when trying to write your first samples from books etc.
Originally Posted by
masijade
Once you have a good grasp of the basics [...] the rest of this comes (well I won't say easy, but you get the picture).
Maybe I do not have very much patience. I am used to being more productive - but this is also because with the years I have created my own libraries and now everything was just putting existing things together. Now - new on Java - a lot of things start at zero. This is not easy to accept for me.